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I've noticed that there is a category "Books" and the article "Books" that right now features Critical Role in-universe books like "Tusk Love" etc.
I feel these fictional books need their own category and article ("In-universe books"?), while the published franchise books like Kith & Kin and The World of Critical Role should be present in "Books".
Any thoughts?
I know a significant number of editors (including me!) are excited about the coming preview of the Legend of Vox Machina for backers of the Kickstarter starting next Tuesday.
This wiki's always had a policy that we don't protect against spoilers, but publish information as soon as it's available. Because of the limited and exclusive nature of the previews (kind of analogous in my mind to those who got to see The Search for Grog live, while everyone else had to wait a month), I'm thinking we should make an exception to the anything-goes policy.
My thought is that the episode summaries, discussion of plot, profiles of new characters and updates to old ones should be delayed until the general release of the series. I don't have the same reservations about cast information as it becomes available.
Thoughts? If people want, we can start dumping full info as early as Tuesday, but it really seems like it would take away from everyone else's experience.
So, I was watching CR3 and I notice that Travis's new character has these stats:
I am kinda wondering why his ability scores are like that. First off, his strength is 18, but his dex is 14 (so a +2 DEX modifier). The highest he can get with light armor is 14 when wearing studded leather armor. Even if Chetney picked up the moderately armored feat, his AC would only be 16 with a breastplate or scale mail, so that math does not line up. Maybe there is a subclass or homebrew racial feature I am missing?
Not only that, but Chetney's ability scores are pretty unusual for a rogue. A usual rogue build would have that 17 in DEX, that 10 in strength, and one of the 14s in Charisma. This leads me to believe that Chetney will likely multiclass into barbarian, as sneak attack only requires the weapon used to be a finesse weapon (you do not need to actually use the DEX modifier to attack), and so he can have sneak attack + rage while using a short sword or rapier?
Hey,
I was looking at how we do the referencing to the comics and Kith & Kin, and I was slightly annoyed that it went through the Guide ref template.
Do we want to reference through a "Book ref" just to keep it separate. I made Template:Book_ref/doc if we want to and I have the "Book ref" Template ready to go.
Hello everyone! As always, feel free to add recommendations or provide feedback on how to make these posts better.
Reminder that as a rule, the PC pages and Jrusar pages typically merit a review after every episode so I don't mention them.It looks like Imogen's abilities were updated but Ashton's background has not been as of this time.
Pages to create
Ira. Here is the disambiguation page; you will want to title the page for this character something like "Ira (Campaign Three NPC)"
Pages to create from past episodes
Pages to update
Jiana Hexum (description of her home, background)
Vali Dertrana (appearance in this episode)
Gurge Kisgregg (appearance in this episode)
Pretty's page appears to have already been updated, but feel free to take a pass!
The new organization of all the episodes and arcs makes it impossible to fiNd anything unless you ALREADY know about them.
C1E40, for example, is easy and can be read in chron order.
As I'm sure many of you know, I've been working on filling out info from Kith & Kin. I have lots of notes on the time line of the novel, but I'm a little intimidated by the Time Line page itself. Would anyone be willing to convert this bullet pointed info into the proper format and add it to the page? I'm happy to answer any questions if things are unclear. Please feel free to use my work verbatim or not :)
(Spoilers below, obviously!)
As per the official timeline v2, the main chapters of K&K take place c. 807 PD. Things are a little fuzzy as to which end of that circa it could be: for the ages we get for the twins during the campaign, it would make more sense for it to be in late 806 PD (calculating based on the flashback chapters), but it also ends with the twins headed to Stilben and Liam and Laura implied in the Q&A that this was setting them up for the start of the campaign, which would move it closer to 808-809 PD, unless they hung around Stilben for years with no character development.
The main chapters take place in late summer/early fall; there's some possibly-conflicting evidence of exactly what time of year it is, but we can safely say it's between late summer and early autumn, definitely before Winter's Crest but close enough that they're thinking about it. I couldn't find any specific mentions of snow or autumn leaves.
The day before getting to Westruun, the twins are worried about their finances as they get closer to Winter's Crest: "I'll find us a decent, cheap-but-no-bedbugs place to stay, and we find a bit of work to raise enough funds until Winter’s Crest." (p. 16)
The sentiment is repeated the next day: "What with the coin, the supplies, and perhaps an odd job or two, this could easily tide them over until Winter’s Crest, perhaps longer." (p. 29)
On their second day of travel to Jorenn Village, they eat autumn berries, and the nights are getting colder. (p. 63)
When Vax breaks into Derowen's office, he sees "a small branch of late-summer berries" on her desk. (p. 219)
Regarding the twins' ages, there's some inconsistencies.
The Prologue, "Twelve years ago" (p. 3), says the twins are "not yet ten" (p. 4) and that Vax is 9 (p. 9).
Chapter 8, "Eleven years ago" (p. 65), says the twins are "comfortably ten" (p. 65).
Chapter 16, "Seven years ago" (p. 135), says that Cyriel is 15 (p. 137) and "a little older than" Vax (p. 138).
Chapter 30, "Five years ago" (p. 256), says the twins are "[n]ot yet sixteen" (p. 259).
Chapter 3, in the story's present, says that Lord Berin is "some years older than [Vex], in his late twenties at most" (p. 24).
Chapter 13, in the story's present, says that Thorn "looked as young and as world-weary as Vax, in his mid-twenties at most." (p. 104)
And, of course, none of the flashback ages match up with the ages we get in the campaign. Vax says he's 27 in 1x29, and 28 in 1x86. As per the CritRoleStats breakdown and the official time line, that would put their birth in 782-783. But the K&K ages give us a range between 785-787, if we work based on the 807 date.
One fun detail is that Vax is the older twin. He says "I'm taller than you too, not just older and wiser" (p. 102).
With that out of the way, here's the basic breakdown.
Flashback chapters:
T - 12 years (autumn c. 795 PD) [p. 3, p. 9 (season)]: Syldor Vessar visits Byroden on an autumn day. Vex and Vax, aged nine, hunt a boggle by the Gladepools. They spy on the elven stranger with the other children and see him meet with Elaina. [Prologue]
T - 11 years (c. 796 PD) [p. 65]: Vex and Vax leave Byroden for Syngorn, accompanied by Tharyn and two other Verdant Guard. [Chapter 8]
T - 11 years + ~3 days [p. 65]: Vex and Vax travel several days from Byroden to Syngorn, accompanied by guards sent by their father. [Chapter 8]
T - 11 years + ~4 days [p. 67]: Vex and Vax, aged 10, arrive in Syngorn to live with their father; it's been about six months since Syldor's visit to Byroden. [Chapter 8]
T - 11 years + ~5 days [p. 71]: Vex and Vax's tutor arrives at Syldor's estate. [Chapter 8]
T - 9 years, ~2 weeks [p. 98]: Iova lets slip to Vex that she thinks the twins should go to school. [Chapter 12]
T - 9 years (c. 798 PD) [p. 96]: In the afternoon, Vex and Vax practice archery and blades respectively with their tutors Iova and Tharendril. High Warden Tyrelda visits. [Chapter 12]
T - 7 years >1 day [p. 138]: On his first night trying to pick pockets in the Tarn Thoroughfare, Vax meets Cyriel. She takes him under her wing and teaches him to be a petty thief. [Chapter 16]
T - 7 years (c. 800 PD) [p. 135; p. 137-138 (twins' age)]: Vax, aged 14 or 15, visits Cyriel at Lathra's shop in the evening. They go pickpocketing in the Tarn Thoroughfare, then drink hot cocoa by the lake. Vex spends the day studying. [Chapter 16]
T - 6 or 7 years, 20th of Duscar [p. 233]: Cyriel gives Vax an old set of lockpicks for Winter's Crest. [Chapter 26]
T - 6 years (c. 801 PD) [p. 197]: Vax takes Vex out on the lake in early afternoon, and gives her a bow. [Chapter 23]
T - 6 years + >1 day [p. 223]: At night, Vax goes to Lathra's shop, and she refuses to tell him where Cyriel is. [Chapter 26]
T - 6 years + >2 days [p. 223]: The next night, Vax visits the thoroughfare alone. [Chapter 26]
T - 6 years + >3 days [p. 222-223]: The next day, Vax breaks into the master of history's office. Syldor is furious with the twins, and breaks Vex's bow. Vax gives her the blue feathers. [Chapter 26]
T - 5 years (autumn c. 802 PD) [p. 256; p. 259 (twins' age, season)]: Vax and Vex leave Syngorn on an autumn evening, aged 15. [Chapter 30]
T - 5 years + >1 day [p. 274]: Vax and Vex return to Byroden and learn about Thordak's attack from Duncan. They spend the night at the smithy. [Chapter 33]
T - 5 years + >2 days [p. 279]: The next morning, Vax and Vex visit their mother's grave, and decide to keep travelling on their own. [Chapter 33]
Main chapters:
Late summer/early autumn, c. 807 PD: Vex, Vax, and Trinket fight giant spiders on the road to Westruun. [Chapter 1]
T + 1 day [p.15]: Vex and Vax shop in Westruun. Vex meets Lord Berin. [Chapter 2-3]
T + 2 days [p. 30]: Vex and Vax shop in Westruun. Vex goes out at night and is followed by Lyre. Lyre takes Vax to Spireling Gideor. Vax agrees to do a job for the Clasp; Lyre is turned into a copy of Vex. [Chapter 4-6]
T + 3 days [p. 56]: At sunrise, Vex and Vax leave Westruun on horseback. They camp in the Bramblewood. [Chapter 7]
T + 4 days [p. 61-62]: Vex, Vax, and Trinket travel into the Black Valley. They meet a messenger in the morning. Vax gives Vex the bear necklace when they camp for the night; they eat fish and autumn berries. [Chapter 7]
T + 5 days [p. 72]: Vex, Vax, and Trinket travel further into the Black Valley. They can see Jorenn Village in the distance. They make camp with some merchants. The camp is attacked by ash walkers. Vex and Trinket make it to Jorenn Village, where Vex helps fight the ash walkers. Vax is badly injured and is rescued by Thorn's band. [Chapter 9-11]
T + 6 days [p. 103]: Vex doesn't go to bed until just before dawn. She and Trinket stay at Shade Hall and wake just before noon. Vex rides out to search for Vax with Shademaster Derowen. She searches for Vax until sunset with Nari and Olfa. Meanwhile, Vax wakes up in the mines and is introduced to Thorn's band. He's woken in late afternoon, as the band flees further into the mines to avoid the Shadewatch. [Chapter 13-15]
T + ~7-12 days [p. 144]: Vex and Trinket spend several days searching through the hills for Vax, and their evenings at Shade Hall with Derowen, Aswin, and Wick. Vax takes at least three days to heal his back wounds until Sencha is satisfied. [Chapter 17-18]
T + ~13 days [p. 147]: Vex spends the day trying a new tactic to find Vax and Thorn's band with Derowen and Beven. When she returns to Jorenn at sunset, Wick brings her and Trinket to Beryl's shop. [Chapter 17-18]
T + ~14 days [p. 156]: Vax plays cards with Felric after breakfast, practices with his daggers in the afternoon (watched by Thorn), and tries to talk to Tinyn. [Chapter 18]
T + ~15 days [p. 159]: Vax talks to Sencha in the evening. After dinner, four members of the Shadewatch find the entrance to the mines; Thorn and Davok hold them off until the other miners and Vax arrive to help. Thorn and Vax chase after the fourth guard, but she escapes. Outside, at dusk, Thorn tells Vax he should leave, but he decides to stay. They talk again later in the night, and kiss. Meanwhile, at Shade Hall, Aswin has a nightmare, and Vex tells her the story of how she rescued Trinket. Wick informs Derowen and Vex that a scout found the mines. [Chapter 18-20]
T + ~17-18 days [p. 182]: Two days pass as Vax and the miners prepare to make a final stand against the Shadewatch. [Chapter 21]
T + ~19 days [p. 183]: On the third night, Thorn goes over the map of the hideout and Jorenn with Vax, to Tinyn's disapproval. [Chapter 21]
T + ~20 days [p. 184]: On the morning of the fourth day, Thorn wakes Vax at dawn. Vax and the miners make their stand against Vex and the Shadewatch. Beven, Felric, Lenda, Nari, Olfa, Tinyn, and Whit, among others, are lost in the fight. The twins head out to camp in the hills with the Shadewatch in the morning, but the fight against the ash walkers continues until dusk. [Chapter 21-22, 24]
T + ~21 days [p. 205]: In the morning, Derowen leads the Shadewatch along with Vax and Vex back to Jorenn Village. Vax is properly introduced to Derowen and Aswin, and has a fight with Vex. He spends the early afternoon waiting to break into Derowen's office, and steals her notebook. [Chapter 24-25]
T + ~22 days [p. 230]: Vax leaves Jorenn Village in the morning to return to the mines and show Thorn Derowen's notebook. Vex and Trinket follow him. Thorn tells them the story of the ash walkers, and introduces Vex and Trinket to his people. In the afternoon, the Shadewatch returns to the mines. Thorn surrenders himself to protect the others; the twins and Trinket escape through a side passage with the notebook. They make camp in the hills, but don't have time to rest before more ash walkers come from the mines. They make their way separately into Jorenn Village: Vex fights ash walkers alongside Culwen, then speaks to Wick and is allowed to stay at Shade Hall again. Vax sneaks into Culwen's office and spends the night there. [Chapter 27-29, 31-32, 34-35]
T + ~23 days [p. 291]: Vax waits for Culwen in his office. He surprises the spireling and they make a deal. Meanwhile, Vex is allowed to rest in Shade Hall before she is summoned before Derowen. Derowen attempts to kill Thorn. She and Vex fight; ash walkers descend upon Jorenn in broad daylight; Culwen arrives and kills his sister; Vax kills Culwen. Vex uses Fracture to stop the ash walkers. Wick releases Thorn and allows him to be healed. [Chapter 35-40]
T + ~24-26 days [p. 342]: Thorn spends a few days recovering from his wounds. [Chapter 41]
T + ~27 days [p. 342]: Thorn, Wick, Vax and Vex walk into the hills. They all part ways and the twins head back to Westruun. [Chapter 41]
T + ~28-30 days [the journey there took three full days of travel]: Vex, Vax, and Trinket travel back to Westruun.
T + ~31 days [p. 348]: Back in Westruun, Vax'ildan is initiated into the Clasp. The twins decide to head to Stilben next. [Epilogue]
Hey, Critical Role friends! Fandom and Amazon Prime Video are partnering to promote the upcoming premiere of Vox Machina on Prime Video with a VOX MACHINA "DRINKING GAME" video and we'd love to feature your ideas.
As you may know, audience drinking games are a way to have fun with often used cliches and tropes found in fan-favorite shows, movies, etc. Each time whatever thing happens in a show, you and your friends are meant to take a drink of (ahem!) lemonade, soda, or (as long as you're of legal drinking age) any beverage of your choice. If it's something fairly common, you might take a sip. A rare-but-recurring gem? Have another! And so on.
So, what are your favorite recurring Vox Machina tropes and cliches that could make the perfect addition to such a game? Leave 'em in the comments.
Thanks everyone who responded to the project thread last month!
Between Tal'Dorei Campaign Setting Reborn, The Legend of Vox Machina, and the ongoing chapter to arc project I think anything big should wait until mid-February at the earliest, but I do think if you've got the free time a great thing to focus on is the suggestion by @Laloulaloulalou to fill out pages for real people! Check out the People category - particularly focusing on people who aren't main cast/commonly seen crew (eg: Dani)! A lot of official artists and background folks have stub pages.
I've also found in image review that a lot of the existing photos of people are unsourced and uncredited, so if you're an image person, please take the opportunity to find fair use and up-to-date pictures!
Tomorrow or this weekend I'll compile a list of pages to fill out or create and post it here.
Looks like we've already got pages for Artana Voe and Pretty, and updates for the Chandei Quorum and House Treshi! Some others:
Pages to create:
Soot and Swill Tavern
Might be worth having a separate page for the Wardens of Jrusar at this point
Pages to update (in addition to the usual character page/Jrusar page updates)
Fill out the Preio Madali page.
As always: Questions? Feedback on this? Ideas to make it better? Other recommended updates? Need help getting started editing? Just ask!
With the release of Tal'Dorei Campaign Setting Reborn (TSCR) fast approaching, I think it'd be good to have some guidelines for dealing with any potential contradictory information and retcons of information from the original Tal'Dorei Campaign Setting (TCS).
Note that these are only suggestions and not hard and fast rules, and I'm open to discussion and comentary!
1: Remember that TCS takes place before TSCR
Because TSC takes place in 812 PD and TSCR takes place in 836, some information has changed in the intervening years, such as the members of the Tal'Dorei Council. Keep the information cited from TSC and make note of the year, and add any new information as needed.
Specifically I want to address the populations of cities, which no doubt have changed in the intervening years, just look at the new official map of Whitestone and see how much it's grown! For the infobox, add the new population from TCSR and note the year, replacing the old population so as to keep the most up to date info in the box. Then keep the original TSC population noted in the "Demographics" section under "Society" on the page, with note for how the population has changed.
2: TCS is still a valid source
If any information in TCS is corroborated, or at the very least not directly contradicted in TSCR, there is no need to change the references across the site to point to the same information in the new book. Likewise if for some reason any information is present in TCS and is not present or contradicted in TCSR, it can remain.
3: TCSR takes precedent over TCS
It has been noted by the writers that some changes have been made to the lore, most visibly the addition of some new rivers between Torian Forest and Emon on the new updated map by Andy Law. In the case of retcons and contradictory information, TCSR is considered to be the new canon, and any information should be updated.
4: Old canon can remain under "Behind the scenes"
Mention of what existed before such retcons can remain on the page, listed under the section "Behind the scenes". Make note of what the canon was before and what was changed, and why if possible.
5: The events of Critical Role takes precedent in the case of continuity errors
This has happened before in the official setting guide books. In the Explorer's Guide to Wildemount, the Chroma Conclave are stated to have attacked Draconia in 815 PD, when those events actually occurred in Critical Role in late 810 PD, corroborated by the official Time Line stating that Campaign One took place between 810 and 812 PD.
Should anything in TCSR somehow directly contradict the events of Critical Role, make note of the continuity error under "Behind the scenes".
I noticed that on mobile, even if I ask for a desktop version and turn it sideways, I can't see the navboxes because they are hidden by default. I wonder if it would be worth it to adapt any of our navboxes to be mobile friendlier? Wookieepedia has some nav templates that seem to work in concert on mobile (example). Curious what others think, especially those who tend to view the site on mobile (which unfortunately may not be most of the people who see this post).
Since I saw talk about how frustrating it can be to load up am entire article just to edit something in the Infobox or lede, especially with how slow longer articles can be—I discovered last night a little script provided through the Fandom Developers wiki you can add for yourself that will add an "Edit Intro" button into the ⋮ menu.
The instructions are listed at this page on the dev wiki. Paste the little provided code under "Personal Installation" into your personal javascript page here on this wiki (that link will take you to yours). Then, go into your preferences, and under the Appearances tab, check the box labeled "Enable personal Javascript".
The button might take a second to show up on an article if the page is loading slow, so it may take some patience (you might want to test if it's working by using a short article), but if it's still not showing up, follow the instructions at the top of your personal javascript page to refresh your cache.
But, that should give you a new edit button that will open an edit box containing only the stuff above the first section header when clicked.
Hi everyone! I was wondering if people had any ideas for ways to improve the wiki in the coming year.
Note: I'm using this to talk about new projects but feel free to plug existing projects here!
The two things I had in mind as most important are:
Improving our resources for new editors. This is a common source of feedback from newer editors; I've seen people respond to previous suggestions that those providing the feedback can edit the wiki themselves, but in that case we need to make sure they can figure out how to do so!
Filling in the episode and character pages for one-shot specials. With this campaign we've already seen references to several canon and non-canon one-shots, notably with Bertrand and Chetney; however, a lot of our specials pages are on the empty side. I think we can easily address this for any future one-shots but in the meantime, I had the following ideas in mind: we could do an "adopt a one shot", in which each participant watches a one-shot and fills out the information (and repeats as needed); or on off weeks that don't have new content, we could essentially treat a one-shot in need of some love as the new episode and anyone interested could watch it and work on the pages.
Hi!
I was just wondering, why the main episode references for specials were removed in the list of episodes? That was incredibly useful to know when to watch which special to not break order.
I know there is the 'by airdate' section in each episodes infobox, but that is way less convenient as an overview, especially on mobile where I find the wiki to not display great. It also means you have to access the episode page to see whats next, which might spoil something with the synposis at the top
Hello, and thanks to @MoistGoth and @OccidentalAvian for their updates to the articles and suggestions last week! Please let me know if you have any feedback on me doing this!
As a reminder, most people update the PC pages so I'm not including those, but please don't hesitate to check to make sure they're getting needed edits! In particular, we know much more about Dorian and Chetney after this episode. I'd also recommend making sure the Jrusar page remains up to date, particularly with regards to the gondola system and Smoulder Spire.
Pages to Create
(edit: removed Silken Squall, see discussion below)
The Wardens/Wilders - not sure how we wish to title it. It may also make sense to make this as a subsection of the Jrusar page for now.
Pages to Update
If you have questions about creating pages, please don't hesitate to ask here. Thanks!
Even though the episodes didn't exactly air back to back (the VM/MN battle royale interrupted it), it was clearly created as a series. Personally, I think we should consider it a miniseries, and I'd like to go ahead and create a master page for it. But I figured it would be good to ask for feedback first, so let me know if you disagree!
I don't think it would be necessary to change the episode codes, they can still use the Sx00 template. It's not worth reworking the system, plus CR has them listed in their one-shot playlist with the others.
How many times is the name input into the "name" field (the one that displays under Character Information) different from the name displayed at the top in a manner that's actually significant? Do we actually need to display that information twice? It looks especially redundant on many NPC articles that don't have an image and caption, see Ocampo for a recent example.
I cannot recall of the top of my head any instance that was different beyond really strange examples like Marion Lavorre (who should really just be "Marion Lavorre" at the top with "Ruby of the Sea" in AKA, but I do not think this formatting is an actual problem) or Babenon Dosal (ditto as Marion)—these two examples are formatted in a very unorthodox manner, and actually the "name" field remains pretty redundant to that title. But, even then, these are extremely rare cases and must represent only like 0.01% of cases.
The only other cases I can think of that might exist have the top has "Lady" and the name field doesn't, but I still don't know if that warrants stating it twice pretty redundantly.
Is it worth the name parameter removing if it's pretty redundant? Similar wikis don't repeat the information twice (Rex at Wookieepedia similar to Marion and Babenon, Sofia Lee at Dimension 20, Moonshine Cybin at NADDPOD).
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